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The Leological One
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Biblical beliefs that are similar to older pagan beliefs
by M.J. ini'd like to list some beliefs within judaism and christianity that bear a resemblance to older pagan beliefs.
the wts is deceptive when they selectively point out such parallels, but only with respect to beliefs they reject.. for example, the wts argues that the origin of the concept of the immortal soul is in egyptian and babylonian mythology, both of which espoused such a concept.
but they neglect to also point out that babylonians wrote flood accounts similar to the noah story before the writing of genesis, or that baptism was practiced in pagan religions before the birth of christ.
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heard back from my dad - you won't believe it!
by freedomlover inhey all you great people - in case you read my letter i sent to my dad the other day you may be interested in his reply.
(see topic history for letter to my dad) .
i am so happy and relieved.
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The Leological One
That is a great letter!! Hope that you get to talk to him and he respects you opinions, without trying to correct you.
I'm thinking there may be a chance the father is conflicting within himself and so wouldn't be surprised if at times he may seem to try to side with some WT doctrines and also possibly will note apparent contradictions and problems with WT doctrines. He may seem up and down about it, so I wouldn't let it get you too far down if he seems to try and uphold some WT ideology here and there.What he's written definitely shows he recognizes, through the apparently crackling force-field of the WT, the reality and importance of family and is ranking that higher right now. Hang in there, and sounds like really good news so far; just pleast don't be discouraged if he doesn't just suddenly sound exactly like someone DF'd for quite a while now and posting here. BUT... he may find himself posting here before long, as well.
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What will be the next big 'new light'?
by yaddayadda init's been a while since the watchtower overlords made any serious doctrinal changes.
wts 'new light' seems to be somewhat cyclical, around every ten years or so.
it's been just over 10 years since the 1995 'this generation' change.
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The Leological One
Proplog2
I loved reading what you wrote. It makes more sense than what the JW say.
I totally agree, JH~!
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Disturbing paragraph in Dec 15, 2005 Watchtower
by yaddayadda inin the 2nd study article, page 29, paragraph 17.
"a similar shocking end will come to the symbolic harlot who has the name "babylon the grat.
" the harlot represents the false religions of satan's world, which have their origin in the ancient city of babylon.
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The Leological One
Yep, I can't wait to joyfully praise God for slaughtering 99.9% of the earth's population. What a great solution to all the world's woes. That will definitely prove that Satan was evil and God was love.
Good point.
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Watchtower January 15, 2006, Reinstatement
by blindersoff inwatchtower
january 15, 2006, "oppose satan, and he will flee!
" pg 29, paragraphs 13, 14
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The Leological One
I'm all ears.
I know of one who has been df over 2 yrs, ; lived an exemplary life even by jw standards (including meetings) for 1 & 1/2 yrs, submitted letters of repentance, ;& the elders will not even meet with him. They admit there is nothing more he can do. Just wait.
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Man, that is sad that someone has been wasting so much of their life away just to get those @-holes to get off their high horse and reinstate the person. I think some of them must love lording over their postions and keeping a power and fear over their congregation.
I hope this person comes to terms with what utter nonesense it all is, but if people are going to be around anyway, I hope they get reinstated.
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Real 'BIG' news WTS sued biggie worker compensation
by DannyHaszard injehovah's loses comp case
church may be forced to pay millions
by jess wisloski.
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The Leological One
JW BEN, CT Russell stated that a student would be better off to study the WT publications than the Bible because if they studied Studies in the Scriptures alone the would have the "Truth" however if they studied the Bible alone after just 2 years the would be back in spiritual darkness.
Silenced1212, that's one of the big things I didn't think of when I posted earlier and is a major prob for Ben to answer, I think.
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Real 'BIG' news WTS sued biggie worker compensation
by DannyHaszard injehovah's loses comp case
church may be forced to pay millions
by jess wisloski.
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The Leological One
"Also, we must not only publish books about or in explanation of the Bible; we must also help the Bible readers to understand these Bible-explaining books, …" (The Watchtower Nov. 15, 1961 p.694)
Thanks Garybuss~!I was telling my wife what I typed today and she was definitely agreeing the WT publications are to be used in conjunction with studying the bible and that the bible is really not to be studied alone. It appears most of the attention is focused on the publications rather than the bible, IMO.
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Real 'BIG' news WTS sued biggie worker compensation
by DannyHaszard injehovah's loses comp case
church may be forced to pay millions
by jess wisloski.
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The Leological One
JW Ben,
I've never been a Jehovah's Witness but am married to one that became df'd just before we were married. I studied the Watchtower and its views for about a year before she and I married and have studied it since.
Not trying to be rude at all here but am simply curious. You say the Witnesses only need the bible, but my understanding is the bible is only to be studied along with the various WT guidebooks, guiding the way in which verses are read and how they are to be interpreted. I also recall there has been at least a few times when the WT publications have stated something only to come back and later change a statement -- and every Witness had to obey what it said or risk being df'd from my understanding, by the way. This means that some people were df'd during the time a particular policy was inacted but would not have been after the policy was changed. Were any of these now former Witnesses contacted and told they were allowed for reinstatement, or were they still just left out in the cold to be shunned by the organization and by their own families~?
Also, when you say Witnesses only need the bible to go by, you are aware there are many verses that can be viewed in different ways and that the WT only allows its people to share the single view those in the corporate office dictate, right? And it has been proven and even admitted before in a WT publication that the board is not infallible. So why are the Witnesses required to only view scriptures in the exact same light the WT leaders decide is correct -- at risk of being df'd and not allowed to talk to their own families anymore such as my wife endures as well as many others on this forum?
I haven't posted here in a long time and apologize for not listing any specific scriptures, etc., but assume you are aware of what I am referring to. If not, I will spend more time later to come up with specific examples. Thanks for any reply.
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Why Would the Creater have to rest?
by researcher init just occurred to me recently.
we are told that holy spirit moves to and fro, that there is a source of dynamic energy that never stops etc, so why after 6 creative days, would there be a need to rest?
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The Leological One
Hey look another crazy person! Yay, I thought we were gonna run out!
Doesn't appear the forum's going to run out of apparent A-holes anytime soon...Regarding the initial topic, I don't recall the bible saying anything about God having to/being required to rest, though it's a possibility God needed to or possibly was setting a symbolic example.
So... I didn't talk smack about the bible or put anyone down for giving an honest indepth opinion (however possibly misguided) that apparently isn't popular here; I guess I'm next on the poo-list~?
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Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!
by VM44 inthis is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.
all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.
the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?
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The Leological One
No, it displays a loyalty to the WT FDS Teaching/Writing Committees, as does all other JW teachings.
100% Exactly~!